Ep 9 Part II - Mickey Ellis - From Royal Navy Medals to Cage life

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Episode 9 Part II:  
We are continuing our Royal Navy Story with Mickey Ellis. At the end of EP I, Mickey was choosing between the Royal Navy's standard career path and modern pentathlon! If you haven't listened to EP1 yet, SPOIL ALERT ahead!

In Part II, we discussed what Mickey did after he left the Royal Navy, from the Soviet Union, Slovakia, to back to London, how did he apply his skills to civilians' lives?  

We dived into a significant change in his life when he was 76 - prison life - what happened?! how did his relationships, his health, and his mindset change before, during and after prison? What did he do in prison and who did he meet? What is his life like now and how does he keep himself strong physically and mentally? 

Come and dive into Part II of a Royal Navy officer story - one that is full of surprises and unexpected turns. 

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We are back for part 2 of the Mickey Ellis Royal Navy Story.

If you haven't listened to part 1, stop now and go back.

You wouldn't want to miss Mickey's childhood, how he grew up in Huntsville, his teenage year, all the way to how he decided to join the Royal Navy and how he progressed in his career.

Ready?

Let's go back to our story.

So I want to do my modern pentathlon career.

So I dropped my ST officer's training on boarding, to concentrate on sport, fitness training.

All the responsibilities that we would partake on board or ship.

Can you tell us more about that?

The Great Britain Modern Pentathlon.

What is that?

That's five events, which is cross-country running, swimming, 300 meters, fencing, pistol shooting and show jumping.

Five events.

And the Navy were the British championship champions in 1958.

And then various people identified me as a good all-round sportsman, which I was.

So I was introduced to modern pentathlon in 1968.

And then I pursued it in 1971-72.

I made the Great Britain squad.

And then the pals of me thought I could make an Olympic champion.

So then I was taken off of Atomous Eagle, put ashore in a Royal Navy Legislation in Yorkeleton, to train full-time for modern pentathlon, which I joined the British team and had, I think, eight internationals, and third in the European Championships and so on, and trained right through to the 1976 Olympics, when they took four people to the Olympic Games, and I was number five.

So I never really missed slashing.

But ironically, we got the gold medal in 1976 in Montreal.

Yeah, it was good.

How would you describe the experience to do those five different events?

Well, I was an all-round sportsman anyway.

Ever since I was six, seven, eight years of age, I always took part in new challenge, and everything was always different.

So doing modern pentathlon was nothing out of the ordinary for me, but I just enjoyed the contrast of the events, different types of people, and the challenge of...

I didn't even think about the Olympics or Great Britain team, but I just enjoyed the sport.

But part of my brief was I had to promote the sport in the Royal Navy, which I did, and we finally finished, again, repeating 1956.

We won the British Championships in 1972, and the juniors won the British Junior Championships, so I had junior teams and senior teams, which I trained up and coached, and that was a great success, yes.

I can see that from your smile.

Now let's think about that.

I know in 1977, that was a big year for you, because you got a medal along with another award.

Can you tell us about that?

Well, it's after the Montreal Olympics in 1976.

1977 was the Queen Silver Jubilee year.

The Princess Anne, she promoted or put together a blue jacket show jumping team to celebrate the Queen Silver Jubilee year, which I was nominated as captain of that team.

We were given three best show jumping horses, sponsored by Lord Topworth and obviously the Royal Navy and Princess Anne.

And we did the Royal Horse Year show, Hickstead, all the major shows.

And then the same year was when Admiral Mountbatten got assassinated by the IRA.

And so they disbanded the show jumping team.

It was a shame.

Lord Mountbatten was a British statesman, Navy officer, colonial administrator, and close relative of the British Royal Family.

He was unfortunately assassinated in 1979 by an Irish Republican and volunteer for the IRA, which is the Professional Irish Republican Army.

So what is show jumping?

Horse riding, show jumping over jumps, like the Royal Horse Show, Royal Winds of the Horse Show and all those.

And then you were also in charge of the ceremonial manning.

Yeah, that's right.

By this time, I've been on the show for six years.

So another display team, climbing the mast on television.

The practice of mass manning has its origins in the days of cell and was used to show respect to a senior officer or a person of importance.

And then I did some television work with Opportunity Knocks, Larry Grayson, people will remember, and Barry Ford would take TV work as a display team.

Made a lot of inroads with famous people.

And that's my career then took off in another direction.

Sounds like you have done commission, like compact, all over the world, and then you have done display with the Royal Navy and the sport pentathlon in your Navy career.

What was your most scary compact duty or most memorable?

The Arctic Circle as a young 16-year-old.

And why was that?

Well, because I joined the Navy for a challenge, and up until then, the challenge was just training.

I really wanted to get in amongst something that would actually be more demanding and challenge me, and that's what it is.

What was the most enjoyable mission you have ever done?

I think training the display teams.

That was enjoyable because I was given these 80-odd young sailors that were about to leave the Navy.

They were disillusioned because they had no challenge.

So I turned that around, and that's how I got the medal as well from the Queen.

And all these boys decided to sign on and become sailors.

So that was a great achievement on my part.

Yeah.

I know when the first time I met you, you were wearing your medal.

So how many do you have?

You had quite a lot.

I made six, I think.

Long service, good conduct, Hong Kong, South China Sea, Cold War medal, because also up in Iceland we had the Cold War, which a lot of people don't talk about.

The Cold War was when the Icelanders decided to expand their fishing limits to 30 miles, but officially to 10 miles.

So they were shooting at our fishing trawlers.

So we had a conflict with them.

And then that was quite demanding.

Fishing fleets used to fish the 10-mile limit off all the coasts.

And Iceland, they had a volcano erupt 30 miles off Iceland.

So they decided that that was a bona fide landmass belonging to Iceland.

So they extended their fishing limits to 30 miles.

The Cold Wars that Mickey mentioned here is the fish, the cold, C-O-D.

They were a series of 20th century confrontations between the United Kingdom and Iceland about fishing rights in the North Atlantic.

We talk a lot about your different duty on the sheep and in the Royal Navy.

I'm curious, what was social life like in the Navy?

Well, that was our role.

My role was a PT instructor.

I was to organize the social life.

Apart from that, there was operations as well.

We were charged with firefighting, nuclear biological defense.

So just not sport, but it was the morale and fitness for all the people on board.

Yeah.

So maybe this is a myth.

Do Navy drink a lot?

Well, they did.

But I think now the modern culture, they're more geared towards computers.

Sailors now are more trained in computer studies more than in my day.

But I didn't drink in anyway, so I wasn't the big drinker at all.

But sailors, I would go to sea for two months.

The first thing they do is go ashore and get drunk.

And how do they perform their duties if they were drunk?

They weren't drunk at sea.

They were actually in the harbor.

And they came to the harbor for maybe two weeks.

Every night they would be out on the binge, going to the pubs and all that.

And local people, we always used to host them as well.

That's the naval tradition, isn't it?

Then if you didn't drink, which I think is a good thing, what did you do when you weren't ashore?

When the ship came alongside, I was on the navy running team as well.

I used to go running.

Then when I was in Scotland, Carnegie, I used to go dump them into the gym, did gymnastics as a youngster, 17, 18.

I was the Eagle in the Devons gym.

I qualified as a PT instructor.

Our job was to organize all the sport ashore.

So it's football or opposition against local teams.

What was the relationship between your colleague, like the people that you were with?

Partnership, that's it.

You were bonded together.

And that's why when people left the navy, they missed it.

So when you go to the Senate to operate in November, all the veterans meet and see each other for 30, 40 years.

So do you still keep contact with any of them?

Yeah, well, not so many.

Some are dead now because my age.

But yeah, I went to a reunion in Plymouth recently.

Got another one in October in Portsmouth.

So probably two or three reunions a year.

I meet up with old colleagues or veterans, you know, in the 80s now, most of them.

Well, now we talk a lot about your Navy life, which we focus a lot on your career.

So I kind of want to change a little bit gear, and that's about different relationship of your life.

How about your personal relationship?

How old were you when you were married?

And do you have any kids?

I got married when I was 24.

I was just breaking into British Pentathlon squad.

And got separated a year later.

Had a son.

I was now 46, 47.

My wife remarried.

And my son remarried.

He's got a son as well.

Grandson who is now 13.

But I don't see him because the relationship, as far as I'm concerned, had broken up and I'd rather have my own independence.

How about other relationships, like with yourself or with friends?

How would you describe them?

I just enjoy people's company.

I'm a very gregarious person, and I can't hold down a one-to-one relationship.

The world is my family, basically.

When you were in the Navy, how did your relationship with your parent or your family evolve?

Can you share a little bit about that as well?

My father died eventually of a heart attack.

He was very proud.

My mother died of a horrible circumstance, so it was a good relationship with my parents.

Now we get to 1977.

We're sad that you just got awarded the Queen's Silver Jubilee Medal.

You have been in the Navy around 20 years by now, and I know that you left the Navy.

Can you tell us why did you leave?

In 1978, they changed the recruitment from 15 to 18.

So you had a problem with trainees.

They would join for three or four months, and then we would want to leave.

And the Navy, they wanted to reduce the manpower.

So we were given an option of leaving, pay you £10,000 to leave, voluntary redundancy.

And I was offered a job at the same time, from a colleague of mine.

So I decided to leave, and I had a job to go to.

So what was that job?

It was working for a company called Joyrich Construction.

My friend was a former British coach, a patathen coach.

So he was now the manager of this company, and he was coaching the daughter of the chairman.

So he gave me a job as one of the managers, regional manager, which was nothing particularly brilliant, but it was a good job.

Company car.

How did you feel when you left?

Because you left the job, Royal Navy, after 22 years.

What was it like?

How did you feel?

Well, I was glad to leave because the Navy was changing overnight, but as the years went on, I missed the comradeship, which I still do now, as you get older.

I can't relate to civilian life, because civilians, they have it very easy indeed, whereas we didn't.

D-Day recently, people don't understand D-Day, whereas D-Day was exactly the same.

So we understand where they came from, but civilians don't.

So I don't understand the mentality of civilians.

At this point, I think you were 45 years old when you left.

What did you do after the Navy, after the construction job that you just mentioned?

Various jobs.

My primary was, I formed three of us, three friends.

We formed a health club, a gymnasium, first one in England, the executive, as you're reading, and that's very successful.

And David Lloyd has a Stringers of tubs.

He wanted to buy us out, but we didn't do that.

So I did that for three years.

And then after that, my friend bought me out, and then I formed a ski company, Ellis Ski.

So I ran a ski operation for three or four years, and then got into travel and tourism.

And then from there, I was triathlon.

So I formed the Triathlon Association.

I was the chairman.

Did the World Championships, Triathlon.

And then from there, I was in Moscow.

So I was running travel packages to Moscow.

Until the KGB inside, they want to cut the actions, so we pulled out of Moscow.

That's why I ended up in Slovakia, running ski programs.

So are you a big skier as well?

I was then, not now.

And then from there, I then bought a chateau in France.

Huge chateau, which is a good business project.

But then interest rates went up to 18%.

So I had two mortgages on the go and a commercial loan.

Couldn't afford to pay.

So then I ended up in St.

Paul's School in London, which is a posh public school, part of the physical education staff.

Great success there.

And then I spent two, three years there.

Then I moved on to greener fields, you know, other things.

And then I started organizing pop festivals.

Pop festivals?

Yeah, concerts, fundraising concerts.

And then retired.

You have done so many different things.

From Moscow, St.

Paul's School, travel agency.

You went back to Russia.

I'm quite interested.

How did you do so many different things?

What was your desire to try different things?

When you start something, it's difficult.

How do you keep doing that?

Well, it wasn't my decision.

It was people who would approach me.

I was running triathlons in England.

Major British Championships were organized.

And then I was approached to maybe organize a triathlon in Jordan, a desert triathlon.

So I was flown over to Jordan to meet the King of Sane of Jordan and his son.

And so we were organized that.

But then the Americans decided to bomb Iraq.

So we were pulled out of Jordan.

So that's all circumstances.

Then I got involved with various things, trying to earn a few bob here and a few bob there.

How did you start the British Triathlon Association?

Yeah, well, I was after the Olympics, a company called the International Marketing Group, IMG, which is very famous.

They run the golf, they do Wimbledon and everything else.

They approached me about organizing the World Triathlon Championships in South France, in Nice.

They wanted to break in the triathlon.

They thought it was going to be a big success.

So I organized some of the Olympians and some other people to go down to Nice.

I'll act as a consultant.

So we organized the first British Triathlon Championships, the first World Triathlon Championships in Nice, because the only one at the time was the Ironman competition in Hawaii.

I came back, as when we were coming back, I got together some of the people on the ferry and said, right, let's form the British Triathlon Association, which I did.

Mickey Ellis was responsible for forming the British Triathlon Association.

And so from there, we organized London to Paris Triathlon, another major event.

But like most things, people got greedy, tried to take it all over.

So I said, well, if you want to take it over, you run it.

And so I pulled out of that, you know, to work intensive, put my own money in all the time.

And then I got involved with all the various management projects.

You mentioned you retire.

And how old were you when you retired?

And what were your feeling and thoughts about retirement?

At 55, I got my Navy pension, 55.

I'm still carrying on organizing things, and just a bit here and a bit there.

Then I got my state pension, so two pensions.

And then I had my house, I had my ski company still in Slovakia.

So I'm still organizing tours in Slovakia.

And hunting trips to Slovakia, which I'm still involved with now.

I've got some nice friends there, you know.

So then I got problems with my knees and my hips.

So I had two hip replacements and knee replacements.

And so the rest is history.

I know something very dramatic and healthy happened in 2016, when you were 71.

Can you share with us what happened?

Well, yes, this is the time when Tibi Savel was accused of abusing young girls and some other people as well.

And so the police thought that they were onto something very, very big.

Other people, as famous Cliff Richard and a few other people were accused as well.

And then this character was accusing MPs, the general in charge of the army.

They couldn't prove anything.

And then they discovered that he had concocted all these lies.

He's now serving 15 years in prison because of it.

But unfortunately, I was at the tail end of that.

And then I was accused by a person that, going back 40 years, who I've never met.

I was in the Navy at sea, and I had all the evidence.

And anyway, I got accused of an offense against him.

And then another boy came out.

And each time that people are accused, they got paid £10,000.

And that's what they were doing.

So this character came out of woodwork from St.

Paul's School.

I knew.

I knew his family very well.

I knew his father very well indeed.

And his father told me that he has a problem with his son on drugs.

And could I help?

I said, I can't help because it's not my brief.

And then when the father died, the boy concocted the story with another St.

Paul's boy, who I can't name for legal reasons.

And then he admitted he was on cocaine, but then admitted that he said that he accused me of an offence.

The police were determined to follow it all up.

So I got charged.

Couldn't afford the defence.

I got convicted nine years in prison, which I served four and a half years in prison.

Which really, it was annoying.

I spent my life helping other people.

And then suddenly, you know, when this comes around, you think, oh God, you can't trust anyone.

So I spent four and a half years in prison, and I served six by six, 23 hours a day.

And two attempts at my life.

Because anyone that's been convicted of a sexual offence in prison, they are the worst murderers in the eyes of prisoners.

But the Navy taught me how to fight it and battle on.

Sleeping in a hammock in Iceland in the Arctic Circle was not a happy experience, and that was worse than being in prison.

Prison life to me was another experience in life.

Just by listening to you, I feel goosebumps, because spending your life helping other people in the Navy, it comes to a point that you couldn't defend yourself, and you were in the prison.

How did you handle that mentally and physically?

Well, I felt bitter, but more so because I had all the evidence, which the police failed to produce, and I still got the evidence today, which I will bring out at some point.

But I sat in my prison cell and said, well, I'm in prison, I've nothing to do about it, I'll just get on with life.

And that's when I started writing, I passed the time, I listened to the radio, and just write, write, and just keep writing.

That's how I learned how to write scripts, do scripts, started writing all the pornography, exercising twice a day, kept myself to myself.

I met some really, really nice people in prison I could trust, but some horrible people.

It's prison life.

How does this event impact your life and relationship?

In a big way, I lost a lot of friends, because if you tell people, people are told that someone has done something, so people will believe them.

Newspapers did a big spread on it, which is untrue.

I mean, newspapers, they write what they want to write to get readership, you know.

So that really upset me.

But at my age now, people I know know that I was innocent.

I wasn't changed my name, because people in Nathan knew the circumstances.

I want to make a note here.

This is a very sensitive and difficult situation for anyone who has to go through, no matter what is your political view, what is your view about the prison.

So please respect and understand that.

This is Mickey's personal story.

So I live a life more as a hermit, but I like my own company anyway.

And the older you get, the less friends you have.

In England, young people don't want to know older people.

My brother was married to a Thai girl and a Thai family, so I go to Thailand every year.

And they're nice people, the Thai people, they understand older people.

So England to me is, I remain here because I have to until December.

But because of my medical problems, the NHS is, I think, the best system in the world.

And I have no problems in the NHS, but outside of that, the legal system, the police system is corrupt through and through.

I won't vote, none of my colleagues won't vote.

Because when you're in prison, you have a chance to understand and read and listen to what goes on on the radio and things, and take it all in.

And I'm like the Navy, which is operational.

Everybody's got a role and a task.

It's civil history.

The politicians, most of them, work in their lives.

They don't know how to organise their lives, their lives, their lives.

So I'm happy to stand by.

What is the biggest change in the world from when you were a child until now?

The biggest change is obviously IT.

It's AI, basically they call it.

I was brought up to climb trees and think of myself, think of my feet.

My parents survived.

They had to survive.

They had to find money, three jobs a day.

Whereas now people take for granted they're going to get money, and they're paid, the rent's paid for them.

It's made tough for them.

And you hear about they can't afford to buy the rent or can't afford to pay the rent or buy a loaf of bread.

I mean, most people cover televisions, they've got telephones.

So how can you say that, you know?

I understand.

What has been the biggest challenge in your life, and how did you overcome it?

The biggest challenge in my life was two.

In fact, one was up in Iceland.

The Arctic Circle was a 16-year-old, rock and rolling in the hammock.

I had to overcome that because that's why I joined the Navy.

And the second challenge in my life was prison life.

To overcome that, how can I spend four and a half years in prison, being two attempts at my life, and don't look as if I'm above everybody else, trying to be on an equal plane, and just see it through.

Four and a half years of reading, writing, walking, reading, writing, walking.

Good friends came to see me in prison, which was nice.

And if you could face that challenge again, how would you handle it differently?

I'd get a better barrister solicitor.

The barrister has never read any of my briefs.

They never read any of my evidence.

I acted quite a lot on my own.

And if there's anything that I would like to have done or like to do, it would be to help people who have been accused of sexual events, charges, who are innocent.

And you hear a lot of that, and I've seen it in prison.

And so if I can help other like-minded people to overcome their problems, because people commit suicide in prison because of it, and I've seen that as well.

We talk about the biggest challenge in your life, and what has been the most proud things that you have ever done in your life?

Joining the Navy, representing Great Britain at Mount Pentathlon, riding for the Royal Navy Princess Anne, show jumping.

That's quite a lot of things.

So now we're on to the last part of our recording into Beyondhood, where we talk about beyond your elderhood.

And how do you spend your life daily now?

What's your greatest passion now?

I wake up in the morning and I say to myself, what are we going to do today?

I'm alive.

Because one of my contemporaries are dead.

My brother and sister are dead.

Parents are dead.

Then I think what I'm going to do, and I get out of bed, I get on to it.

That's how I take every day as it comes.

But I always got a challenge around the corner.

But my writing is a substitute for my physical activity, because I can't run, I can't do the things I did when I was a youngster.

So I spend a lot of time writing, and when I go to bed at night, by the end of the day, my mind, my brain is so tired to thinking and writing, which is very similar to running a marathon.

So moral stories, I tell people, they ask how old I am, I tell them.

And they say, what's the secret of your success, if you like?

I don't tell them about prison.

I say, well, the secret is you got to have a good life.

You got to live a life to the full.

And when you're 30 and 40, you got to live as if you're 70.

So you don't go down to the pub and drink.

You got to put money into a pension fund.

So when you do get to 60, 70, you got money to buy something else to drink or lunch.

And how do you keep yourself in such a good spirit?

I'm self-motivated.

I'm self-motivated.

My brain is hyperactive, and that's through my sport.

And it's a case of the three elements I maintain, mind, body and soul.

And if I can keep those alive and strong, I feel like I'm 40 still, not physically, but mentally.

And people overlook the fact that the brain is what dictates your lifestyle.

If you've got a weak brain, you've got a weak body.

You know, so that's my secret.

I like traveling.

I like traveling.

I like meeting new people.

And I always say, one of my quotes, it's when you're in the deepest, darkest valley, do you find the energy to climb the highest of mountains.

But it's not the ascent that is your challenge.

It's the horizon beyond.

New people, new places, new experiences.

Is it your own quote?

Yes, it's my own quote.

And I'm still climbing that mountain.

I know.

So we're coming on to the last few questions at the end of our episode.

Do you have any regret in your life?

And if so, what it is, and if you could redo it, what is the one thing you would change?

Well, I think in modern society, like a fast wind or fast rewind, was and is, don't get too close to people, because you're subject to being abused yourself, not sexually or physically, but mentally abused.

And people accuse you of this and accuse you of that.

It could be anything.

It could be any offence, you know.

The secret of good management is to be aloof, or don't get too close to people you're managing.

But then if you enjoy people's company, it's very difficult to say that.

What do you think of death?

Do you believe in the afterlife?

Are you religious?

Yes.

Well, I'm religious, but I'm not...

I believe I'll come back as a duck.

Why a duck?

Well, because ducks always...

They paddle all day long on the river or on the ponds, and they go crack, crack, crack.

Death to me is nothing.

I think it doesn't murder me at all.

Are you scared of death?

No, not at all.

You hear every day about people die.

I mean, the aeroplane that dropped a thousand feet, this gentleman got a heart attack in the aeroplane, or people were in a restaurant in Mallorca, and the top floor collapsed, 30 people got killed.

So every day there are experiences where people are dying, and you never know where you're going to die, or how you're going to die.

So you just get on with life.

If you die tomorrow, if I die tomorrow in the toilet, then they have to come and get me out.

Could you share one piece of advice for the next generation?

One more quote.

Live for today, for tomorrow may never come.

And young people take it for granted.

They'll wake up in the morning, and they go to school, or they go to work, or they go to bike, or this and that.

They never consider what's over the rainbow, or beyond the rainbow.

The last question is, what do you most look forward to now?

What is next?

I look forward to getting up in the morning, and going for a walk, listen to the birds, listen to nature.

That's what I enjoy most.

And then getting into bed at night, listen to the radio, have a glass of wine or a glass of whiskey, and say to myself, I've had a good day.

That's it.

And if I go to bed at night, and say I haven't had a good day, then I've done something wrong.

Then what do you do the next day?

I put it right.

Well, thank you very much for your time, Mickey, for sharing with us.

So thank you.

Okay, pleasure.

Thank you.

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Who is navigating how to age with grace and motivation so that they can join and be part of our mission.

You guys can discuss.

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Then we're closer to create a community where we go beyond elderhood, one story at a time.